TERMINATOR: DARK FATE - NON-SPOILER REVIEW

[Darth Knox]

This is why I enjoyed Salvation: it wasn't a time travel piece. It was simply good guys versus bad guys in the "present" (which is OUR future). What I liked even more about it was the nature of Skynet. It wasn't just a simple machine with a flawed logic.....it was learning. It was capable of baiting the humans; making sacrifice maneuvers in order to achieve greater victory.

There was some good stuff in Salvation. Unfortunately there was also a lot of bad (all the Sam Worthington stuff in particular was executed poorly). Very few movies are perfect. However, the best ones are those that limit the "bad" stuff. Unfortunately for me, Rise, Salvation and Genisys had too much bad to be considered good or enjoyable. Just my opinion though.

[Infinit01]

I think the problem is, fans of the franchise have, for the most part, not enjoyed Rise, Salvation or Genisys. So it's a case of fool me once, fool me twice. Also, the younger generation don't have the same connection to the franchise or the same love as they more than likely grew up with Rise, Salvation and Genisys. Also, apart from Salvation, all the movies are the same basic plot: sentient machines send a killer robot back in time to kill an important leader. Humans send back a protector. Fight! Kind of repetitive, even when you have a movie like Dark Fate that has some fantastic action.

I just don't think all fans think like that. A nice portion have a connection, some don't know, some don't care, and some aren't into it because it's not popular for their age and era.

The Terminator franchise has always been about what it means to be human and what makes us different than machines. It's a question that goes back to early human myths, which begs the question on how humans are different from animals. If you look at it, each franchise other than The Terminator, the T-800 learns to become more and more human

Then the machines arrived on your front door. Dark Fate and its predecessors in the franchise, revolve around artificial intelligence deeming that humans pose a major treat to the future, and they are far from alone. Authors have written about dangerous, intelligent machines at least as far back as the 1870s. But whether you're talking about Samuel Butler’s 1872 novel Erewhon, where he talks about machines that developed consciousness, or Dark Fate, the threat posed by AI isn’t just physical, but metaphysical. The concept of a computer possessing intelligence that rivals or surpasses our own special way of thinking that we are the most intelligent life in the universe. Artificial intelligence and machines have made us ask the question again “What makes humans special?”

Instead, stories like Dark Fate emphasize physiological differences between human and machine. Take Grace for example, she's a modified human that has the conscious to decide between good or bad versus the Rev 9 that only follow orders based on it's design and programming. Can you have a machine that develops it's own way of thinking from lack of instruction and living among humans? Humans face life and death where the latter is permanent versus machines that can be upgraded, repaired, or rebuilt.

[Darth Logos]

There was some good stuff in Salvation. Unfortunately there was also a lot of bad (all the Sam Worthington stuff in particular was executed poorly). Very few movies are perfect. However, the best ones are those that limit the "bad" stuff. Unfortunately for me, Rise, Salvation and Genisys had too much bad to be considered good or enjoyable. Just my opinion though.

Yeah, the Sam scenes did leave a funky taste, but I also think they were done that way (at least pre-reveal) to foreshadow that something wasn't on the level with him. For me, the giant robot fight sticks out as WTF? A human would have been dead 5x over fighting that thing. But then all was made clear strolling through the mine field.

[Darth Tepes]

I always thought an interesting story would be that Skynet was running out of resources in the future and could not spare any more Terminators.  So instead they send back instructions and gold to a criminal organization to hunt Connor.  Climax would be a Terminator showing up after all and the Criminals realizing they would not be spared in the future and combining forces to take it down.

[Darth Logos]

I always thought an interesting story would be that Skynet was running out of resources in the future and could not spare any more Terminators.  So instead they send back instructions and gold to a criminal organization to hunt Connor.  Climax would be a Terminator showing up after all and the Criminals realizing they would not be spared in the future and combining forces to take it down.

Considering that Skynet pretty much wiped out civilization, it could scavenge resources from all over the world. Would take a long time to run out.

[Darth Tepes]

Considering that Skynet pretty much wiped out civilization, it could scavenge resources from all over the world. Would take a long time to run out.

Ok.... allow me to be specific.  The war is coming to an end.  Skynet has very few strongholds left and is hoarding the resources they have including the reaming Terminators to guard their "mainframe'.  In a last ditch effort they execute the plan I described.

[Darth Logos]

Ok.... allow me to be specific.  The war is coming to an end.  Skynet has very few strongholds left and is hoarding the resources they have including the reaming Terminators to guard their "mainframe'.  In a last ditch effort they execute the plan I described.

Ok, little more sense. Thank you.

[Darth Tepes]

Ok, little more sense. Thank you.

Welcome...actually.  I may write this up now.  Use it as a writing exercise.

[Darth Knox]

(at least pre-reveal)

They gave it away in the trailer! 

I just don't think all fans think like that. A nice portion have a connection, some don't know, some don't care, and some aren't into it because it's not popular for their age and era.

The Terminator franchise has always been about what it means to be human and what makes us different than machines. It's a question that goes back to early human myths, which begs the question on how humans are different from animals. If you look at it, each franchise other than The Terminator, the T-800 learns to become more and more human

Then the machines arrived on your front door. Dark Fate and its predecessors in the franchise, revolve around artificial intelligence deeming that humans pose a major treat to the future, and they are far from alone. Authors have written about dangerous, intelligent machines at least as far back as the 1870s. But whether you're talking about Samuel Butler’s 1872 novel Erewhon, where he talks about machines that developed consciousness, or Dark Fate, the threat posed by AI isn’t just physical, but metaphysical. The concept of a computer possessing intelligence that rivals or surpasses our own special way of thinking that we are the most intelligent life in the universe. Artificial intelligence and machines have made us ask the question again “What makes humans special?”

Instead, stories like Dark Fate emphasize physiological differences between human and machine. Take Grace for example, she's a modified human that has the conscious to decide between good or bad versus the Rev 9 that only follow orders based on it's design and programming. Can you have a machine that develops it's own way of thinking from lack of instruction and living among humans? Humans face life and death where the latter is permanent versus machines that can be upgraded, repaired, or rebuilt.

You have read way more into these movies than I ever have (or will). I think it's great you enjoy them on such a deep level though. Just wish I felt the same, but I don't. And doubt I ever will. And there is nothing wrong with that. It's okay to disagree on movies and still stay friends.

[Darth Logos]

They gave it away in the trailer! 

Thank goodness I missed the trailers.

I just don't think all fans think like that. A nice portion have a connection, some don't know, some don't care, and some aren't into it because it's not popular for their age and era.

The Terminator franchise has always been about what it means to be human and what makes us different than machines. It's a question that goes back to early human myths, which begs the question on how humans are different from animals. If you look at it, each franchise other than The Terminator, the T-800 learns to become more and more human

Then the machines arrived on your front door. Dark Fate and its predecessors in the franchise, revolve around artificial intelligence deeming that humans pose a major treat to the future, and they are far from alone. Authors have written about dangerous, intelligent machines at least as far back as the 1870s. But whether you're talking about Samuel Butler’s 1872 novel Erewhon, where he talks about machines that developed consciousness, or Dark Fate, the threat posed by AI isn’t just physical, but metaphysical. The concept of a computer possessing intelligence that rivals or surpasses our own special way of thinking that we are the most intelligent life in the universe. Artificial intelligence and machines have made us ask the question again “What makes humans special?”

Instead, stories like Dark Fate emphasize physiological differences between human and machine. Take Grace for example, she's a modified human that has the conscious to decide between good or bad versus the Rev 9 that only follow orders based on it's design and programming. Can you have a machine that develops it's own way of thinking from lack of instruction and living among humans? Humans face life and death where the latter is permanent versus machines that can be upgraded, repaired, or rebuilt.

It pretty much fall into "How do you teach an intelligence the value of life?" There are humans that fail to grasp this value, so how do you explain it to something devoid of emotion; that only rationalizes on cold hard logic. Like in 2, the T-800 trying to understand the intricacies of crying.