A note concerning some of the rumors flying around...

[Daddy Solo]

I'm not going to comment on the facts of this case, as I think Ultra speaks for himself pretty damn well.  One reason I left the answering to him

I am going to insert a big "lol" at the quote I have pointed out.  I understand that some people may want to challenge the legitimacy of Ultra or his practices - it's always something people try to do, especially considering the circumstances which are discussed in this thread.  I just wanna have a chuckle at the comment made.

The popular argument by people that decide to challenge this forum is that we're some kinds of sycophants who just drool over Ultra's products and tell him how cool he is.  They always seem to forget one thing... this is a forum created by the owner of Ultrasabers, which is designed for the express purpose of discussing Ultrasabers.  It's manned by a big old crowd of people who have bought Ultrasabers products and enjoy them, often buying many more as a result.  Did you expect "we hate US" posts?  Kind of silly IMO  

Well put indeed. Thank you Nero for the LOL. I would agree that you perform your moderator position admirably. As a member of said community myself (that includes other SW related items as well as sabers), I am not knocking the group - that would be self-deprecating to say the least.  I too have bought and enjoyed several US products in the past and may even do so in the future. Of course I didn't expect "we hate US posts" -(otherwise they probably would have been removed LOL) I don't hate US as an entity either, nor does it put any money in my pocket, feed my family, provide me shelter, or have any meaningful impact on my life what-so-ever if Alex's company succeeds or fails - go be the best Combat Lightsaber Specialists you can be!

Even a child is known by his doings and on a forum a person is known by his posts. If I am getting a misrepresentation of your honor, I am not to blame for that and am certainly not alone

True enough. To thine own self be true. I have read many of your other posts/diatribes here and elsewhere and I too, am not alone I'm  waiting for a pm from you if you still  want to question my intentions/motivations/integrity personally.

As for you, I can easily meet this new goal post, and if your concern was genuine, you could find such evidence yourself on Google.  The US Patent and Trademark Office also requires evidence of first use, which I can easily provide them as well.  I even have a physical flyer created YEARS ago for distribution at Comic-Con that advertises "Flash on Clash" as an available feature of an Ultra Saber.  Evidence can easily be provided to meet your challenge, but will this really satisfy you or will you simply move the goal post again?  Would you accept this evidence, or simply reject it?  You have not shown yourself to be a person with an open mind, but rather, a demagogue with a personal axe to grind.

A demagogue you say? - I gain no power, nor care to increase my popularity on your company's lightsaber forum, by challenging your version of whatever controversy you or your company is embroiled in. Move the goalpost? - hardly, my back hurts too much already LOL! You've got evidence? good for you. Just think how all of this latest controversy could have been avoided. I would gladly accept it and move on - I'm too old for  the whole East coast/ West coast thing LOL Since that's the case, bring it to court (if that's where it ends up) and I hope you win your case-  I really do.

The best revenge is living well.

[Ultra]

If this is your cop out, then why did you even post at all, Daddy Solo??  For someone who now purports to not care, you sure do alot of typing.  Thanks for trolling our forum and stirring up the pot.  You have shown what the other side is all about.  All talk, no substance.

[Manroon]

Wellllll.... at least it seems this discussion has more or less played out. Nice presentation of evidence, Ultra. Handled most excellently. Why get angry when you can prove your position? Bravo.


Also, on that sentiment about the hobby's progression over the last year.... I agree heartily! It in NO way benefits the hobby for everyone to fight over things. I've observed the Train hobby for years, and the fighting there has only damaged it. Alot. Every time. I would HATE to see that happen to my beloved saber hobby. Besides, it just gets confusing if different companies call the same feature different things. It's easier for the community to just call it all the same thing, and generally (not always) it makes sense. Still, there is much behind the scenes that affects things which must be taken into account that, as I said, are the business of the Smiths, and not of the Knights, Lords, Apprentices, and Padawans of the world.

[jmPlagueis]

Ultra -

I would just like to throw it out there that there is a reason I chose to join THIS forum and be YOUR customer... I got scared away by all the others and their over-the-top ways of doing things in aspects of both technology and price. You bring it down to our level while still putting together AWESOME sabers, and make it a fun hobby instead of some cut-throat competition. As a result, you do good business.

MTFBWY

[Kaiden Shardsbane]

Personally, after watching the mudslinging and rumors going around here and on the FX forums, I've arrived at the conclusion that I don't really care anymore.  It's just not really any of my business, and doesn't really affect me.  People can accuse and counter-accuse, and censor or flame, or whatever the heck they want at each other, but for me what it really comes down to is a solid saber that looks good and holds together well for a decent price.  Right now, that's Ultrasabers.  If someone else starts coming out with cheaper, better, sabers and service, I'll switch to them.  And every once in a while I might buy a "high end" saber, just so I can have something unique.  But really, most of my unique-ness can be achieved with customizations and mods, which are easy to do with Ultra's sabers.  So i keep coming back to Ultra.

Bottom line: give me an affordable, well-made saber, and I'm happy.  As long as it holds together for me personally, I couldn't care less about what people say about the company/person who makes them.  That's what this hobby really should be about, but some people seem to have forgotten that.

[Kaiden Shardsbane]

Sorry for the double-post, but I just thought of a PS to add:

If a saber smith REQUIRES their customers to shun other saber smith's work, they're probably inadequate when compared to other sabers.  Any worthy saber smith will let their product speak for them, and the customers will WANT to be loyal to that smith.  Ultra's sabers, by my standards, are just as good as the other sabers out there, but without the fancy-schmancy glitter thrown in on top.  And if that glitter costs extra $100's of dollars, I really have to want it to go buy one.  As has been stated earlier, if another smith can get their glittered-up sabers down to an affordable price range and still be functional, I'll probably switch.  But right now, Ultra has sabers that work, well below other smith's price range.  And to me, that baseness just gives me more room to customize.  I'm not gonna go cut an angled emitter into a $500 saber, or even a $200 saber.  But I'd be willing to try it on my Aeon because I know it won't fall apart on me, and it could look really cool.  (I'd just want to quadruple-check it to make sure I wasn't screwing up anything important)

And although we're not really allowed to bring up other smith's names around here, I think Ultra is perfectly fair in that requirement.  He's not forcing us to shun other smiths, merely keeping the competition out of his own back yard.  Any of us can go over to FX and ask about other smiths with just a few clicks and some typing.  And I have never heard Ultra bash another smith.  I imagine he even holds several of them in high respect, even though he disagrees with some of their practices.  I have seen tempers get short, and accusations fly too quickly, from ALL parties involved, but no-one's perfect.  Ultra has called people liars rather quickly, and I don't fully agree with that, but by-and-large he has let his sabers do the talking, and that's why I choose to stay loyal to Ultra.  The day his sabers drop below acceptable quality, or another smith outdoes Ultra and LET"S HIS SABERS SPEAK FOR HIM, I'll find another smith to supply my fix.  But until then, I'll carry my Ultrasabers with pride.

Ok, now I'm done.

[DarthCooper88]

 Actually, this has been a very interesting thread & I had to chime in..

I have spent the last 20+ years in high-end sales mainly home improvement & specialized construction. Many of those years were spent working builder shows selling appointments for an in home estimation. We had quite a few competitors with similar products, whom I would be up against constantly, the owner of my company was a sharp guy & sent us to a lot of training classes, selling closing schools to be sure we had an edge. One of the biggest things that I can relate here to this thread is this , when the consumer feels that value exceeds price - people buy.
When you have to bash on your competition, it usually tells the consumer that there is something wrong with your product & it might be a good idea to shop with the company that just got bashed on, maybe theirs is better. The point of this long post is this, from my experience & from what I see, US is ran brilliantly & every time I go to their site, my credit card wants to jump out of my wallet!!!! The marketing is excellent , the sales format is genius, & far ahead & above many other the other sites that I've surfed looking for info. & parts for my new obsessi....passion.

Thanks Ultra, dont' change what you are doing!

[ThreadJack]

Normally I wouldn't get involved, but as someone who works retail sales(and therefore customer service), I feel obligated to say this. Ban me for encroachment, I don't care, this kinda thing really makes my blood boil. Cannibal869.....

OOPS, his post was deleted, oh well.

[Ultra]

I removed his post because it had nothing at all to do with this topic.  This thread is important to me and I will not allow it to be derailed.

[Darth Wraith]

I Have Just Read Some of The Comments Against Ultra (Since I Posted A Couple of Days Ago...)

and All I Can Say Is That My Absolute Hatred of All Those Who Mock and Spread False Rumors About Our Beloved Leader Grows With Every Passing Day...



Makes Me Wish That Lightsabers and The Force Was Real... So We Could All Settle This The "Old Fashioned Way"...

ALL HAIL ULTRASABERS!!!!!

I Would Defend Against The Specific Accusations Slandered Against Ultrasabers, But Alex Needs No Help At All, He Has Done A Magnificent Job of Handing Those Fools Their Asses On A Silver Platter ...

Bravo Ultra!!! Bravo!!!

[Jammo]

All things aside, I just told a guy in the toy section at Target to check out Ultra when he decides its time to ditch the plastics...

[darth tratus]

 

All things aside, I just told a guy in the toy section at Target to check out Ultra when he decides its time to ditch the plastics...

OMG Same here!

[Ultra]

Why do people not believe me when I say that drama queens are not welcome here?  Cry censorship all you want, this is a private forum, not Central Park.

[Manroon]

Exactly. Sure, I may not always agree with how you run this place, but it's your place Ultra and you have the right to run it how you please. If your command style rubs someone that wrong, they don't have to post here. lol So why must they bother you, not to mention those of us that love this place, by bashing the way it's run and throwing fits? Btw, I'm just commenting and musing, not insulting or pointing fingers. Just FTR in case i accidentally offended a complainer.

[Jammo]

Ultra, you've been WAY nicer than I would have been. Jedi or not, I'd go kick and destroy on some knuckleheads that try to mess with my livelihood on a page I own.