Ataru vs Juyo: Who Wins?

[Revan101]

Say two equally skilled duelists challenge each other. One uses Ataru and the other uses Juyo. Both are equally skilled with their chosen form. Which is most likely to win?

[gebhac]

Well.. that's a loaded question.. lol 

Ataru Pros - very fast, very aggressive, uses the Force to enhance speed and agility to leap and bound all over the place, excellent against a single opponent in a wide open space

Ataru Cons - weak on defense, very physically and potentially mentally draining, not ideal for confined spaces

Juyo Pros - very fast, very aggressive, very powerful

Juyo Cons - relies on heightened emotional state, susceptible to Force based attacks

To answer your question, flip a coin..

[Revan101]

Well.. that's a loaded question.. lol 

Ataru Pros - very fast, very aggressive, uses the Force to enhance speed and agility to leap and bound all over the place, excellent against a single opponent in a wide open space

Ataru Cons - weak on defense, very physically and potentially mentally draining, not ideal for confined spaces

Juyo Pros - very fast, very aggressive, very powerful

Juyo Cons - relies on heightened emotional state, susceptible to Force based attacks

To answer your question, flip a coin..

Don't you know never to rely on random chance like a coin flip? There must be a way to deduce a most likely winner.

[Guardianofwinds]

Well, I'm going to have to echo gebhac,

If they are equally skilled, it would really come down to each warriors strategy , cunning, experience in combat amongst a whole slew of other properties and conditions. The forms aren't mathematical where one is superior to the other. It all comes down to the martial artist.

[Darth Nonymous]

The first one to make a mistake looses.

[JinhamKlyean]

If they are equally skilled, it would really come down to each warriors strategy , cunning, experience in combat amongst a whole slew of other properties and conditions. The forms aren't mathematical where one is superior to the other. It all comes down to the martial artist.

It may not be mathematical, but there's no denying that later forms were often developed to address weaknesses in other forms.

[gebhac]

Don't you know never to rely on random chance like a coin flip? There must be a way to deduce a most likely winner.

That's exactly what would happen between duelists of equal skill but practiced different forms.  Random chance would determine the winner.  One could get a muscle cramp or the other could get winded.  It would come down to exploiting those random factors.

It may not be mathematical, but there's no denying that later forms were often developed to address weaknesses in other forms.

Those later forms also had their weaknesses that could be exploited.  Djem So had very little mobility, Niman was too generalized unless the duelist was a serious practitioner.

[JinhamKlyean]

Those later forms also had their weaknesses that could be exploited.  Djem So had very little mobility, Niman was too generalized unless the duelist was a serious practitioner.

I think that's what makes the OP's question interesting.

[Noctis]

Say two equally skilled duelists challenge each other. One uses Ataru and the other uses Juyo. Both are equally skilled with their chosen form. Which is most likely to win?

Whoever capitalizes on the first mistake made by their opponent is the winner.  It is very much like this in martial arts.  Two Judo competitors taught different styles by different dojos are equally skilled and have the same belt rank.  Who wins the match?  Well, the guy who recognizes his opponent's mistake is the one who wins. 

[Darth Logos]

I say it falls on the individual, not their chosen form, to grasp victory. Being in a heightened emotional state can be as equally taxing on the mind as physical stresses of Ataru can be on the body.

It would also depend on the locale of the duel. What geographic characteristics would be strength/liability to the combantants?

But in the end I would agree with Nox and DN, the first mistake is most likely to result in defeat.

[Vivectius]

Ataru is Neo running up the wall, Juyo is Morpheus nailing him when he lands.

[gebhac]

Ataru is Neo running up the wall, Juyo is Morpheus nailing him when he lands.

I beg to differ, Juyo is when Agent Smith goes all rapid fire hammerfist on Neo...

[Vivectius]

Yeah, I can see that.  I was mostly just trying to keep it in the same fight, but the rapid strikes do fit Juyo better.

[Darth Logos]

From what is spoken of in The Jedi Path, Ataru is utilizing Force acrobatics to manuever and attack, reference Yoda in ATC. It's mainly 3-axes spinning.

Juyo is..the best I've been able to interpret...not really a saber form, but more a technique. As Bruce Lee once said, "You need emotional content." Basically, what ever you do, just put some stank on it, and it's Juyo. Darth Bane would have classified it as "Strong form". I get an image of the basics from Shi Cho with extreme amounts of attitude when I envision the use of Juyo. I guess some good movie refs would be Darth Sidious v Mace Windu (both parties) as well as what Vader uses at the Battle of Mustafar in ROTS. Another good example would be Luke, after Vader threatens to turn Leia in ROTJ.

[gebhac]

Yeah, I can see that.  I was mostly just trying to keep it in the same fight, but the rapid strikes do fit Juyo better.

Morpheus striking Neo after Neo runs up the wall is more Soresu.  During that fight Morpheus only strikes when Neo leaves himself open, the rest of the time he's biding him time behind a near perfect defense.