TPLA LIVE!!: Reverse grip

[Oramac]

bad for whom?

Not for anyone in particular.  Just the contrast between the good point of RG and the bad points of it. 

I'm not sure I understand this. If you mean the initial engagement being hilt up and then turning it around as in the video, the reason is as stated. You want to switch out of reverse grip as quickly as possible.

If you mean push the blade over with the hilt above the opponents blade, you don't want to do that because that will a. leave your tip on the wrong side of their blade b. it leaves you in reverse grip which is not where you want to be. You want to switch and switch back quickly c. as you push the opponents balde down it goes right into you d. You have to reach over the opponents balde to push down. 

Also, you loose the ability to guard your back as you walk off if you missed them. Better to switch it back and use the weapon correctly. Staying reverse grip is not wise.

I may have not made my case correctly.  Either that or I'm completely misunderstanding your answer.  As such, I decided to put my question in video so as to hopefully make it clearer.  Either that or just prove I'm a stubborn knucklehead. 

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svw7N_y-Dw4" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svw7N_y-Dw4</a>

And Lucien, I totally see where you're coming from.  And I've re-discovered that my biggest disadvantage is not having a regular sparring partner(s) that have full sets of gear.  So, who wants to come to StL and spar!?

[Master Lucien Kane]

You're theorizing, which is great. Theorizing often leads to innovation, however this is one of the reasons enlisted guys dislike officers. Specifically new officers, they have college education, they have one heck of a hard course to go through. When they reach the fleet they have no clue how the Marine Corps actually works. Their brilliance in theory often leads to less than desirable results in reality. (Forgive me any officers in the house, I love you.) The best officers are the ones who listen to their SNCO's and fellow officers who have experience.

I'm not saying that you're doing this, but I am trying to relate to you the difference in experience and theory. I theorized on many techniques before I started applying them, when I actually started sparring I got my butt kicked a lot until I learned the application for those techniques.

As to the questions in your video, watch yourself in the mirror when you do the techniques. When you switch back to a forward grip, you're less open to attack. When you stay in reverse grip, your body stays open, and you have less options if you need to maneuver your blade.

[Darth Nonymous]

Ok. Yes, I did understand you.

None of those will work for these reasons:

1. The starting point for these techniques are at initial contact. There are no swings. The idea is that you have some how ended up in that grip and must switch back.
2. None of the responses you show are quick enough. This has to do with your inclusion of swings.
3. None of them are relient on footwork. The reverse grip is used best when not used much at all. Do the work with your steps and body.
4. There is no forcing or blocking in these techniques. It is difficult to see because we are trying to show what is going on, but we are pretty far away from each other. You are rotating around the opponents weapon and disrupting their arc.

To the specific examples:

example 1: It wont work because you are just standing there. What you are doing can only be done as we do it at 27:00. You must rotate out of the way otherwise you are taking the hit. AS we said, there are no blocks with this.

Example 2: as I stated in the general points, this is too slow. To have to completely reverse direction is a very inefficient movement. The hand switch happes during the movement, there is no stop and change. also, we are not forcing the blade down, we are rotating around it and moving it just off the line. We are showing it in sperate parts for illustration purposes.

Next, you end up in the weak position and they are in the strong. Their blade is still between you and your target and if you are just going to follow the same line backward, you are automatically going to miss due to the change in positioning. Their blade going down and you stepping across like the keeps your  balde pointing the wrong way so that when they succeed in the easy parry from the reverse grip and get the hit in on your back.

If you wanted to make this a use ful technique you could guide with reverse grip down as you switch to standard. Then you will be able to get around the other blade and make a good hit. In rev grip you will just slide off.
We will show all of these Friday.

[Oramac]

Ok. Yes, I did understand you.

Clearly I don't understand.  As I try to envision what you're saying, it seems like all the disadvantages would apply in either case (reversing direction, static footwork, etc.).   I suppose I'll just have to get my clock cleaned a few times to learn it.  Oh well, I've always learned best by doing anyway.

And Lucien, I totally understand the difference of theory vs experience.  I hope I'm not coming across as trying to say you guys are wrong.  That's definitely NOT my intention.  The most obvious answer for all my questions is quickly becoming "get some experience".

Thanks!

[Darth Nonymous]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgzAldE4XW4" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgzAldE4XW4</a>

Boom! There you are.

[Master Lucien Kane]

Good show

[kagemusha shin]

Seen the vids excellent work masters truly covered everything. I do reverse grip myself as well and it's definitely not for precise attacks more quick and go like an assassin however to catch someone off guard dueling is a hard task so I like the way you put it as throwing them off with intimidation; However there are good perry moves for this style.

[kagemusha shin]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur8_cYFIZIA" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur8_cYFIZIA</a>