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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2013, 05:55:25 PM »

Will definitely try to catch the next show (though it's right in the middle of the night in Germany  Sad). Have my google+ up and running, so I should be there ...

This will be very interesting; hope to get some pictures in my head for further training sessions (without a training partner  Sad).
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2013, 12:11:08 AM »

Really looking forward to the next TPLA live !!

FORM 0 ?

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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2013, 01:28:22 AM »

FORM 0 ?



Form "0"
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_%22Zero%22
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2013, 05:35:24 PM »



Exactly the reason some people in modern times favor Open Carry.  Defusing a situation before it even begins can be an invaluable tool in preventing unnecessary bloodshed.
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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2013, 06:15:26 PM »

Exactly the reason some people in modern times favor Open Carry.  Defusing a situation before it even begins can be an invaluable tool in preventing unnecessary bloodshed.
The deterrent factor in the sight of any weapon is intimidation. intimidation can swing the other way as well and instigate or escalate situations.

I would also say that it is not diffusing the situation just postponing it.
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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2013, 06:30:27 PM »

The deterrent factor in the sight of any weapon is intimidation. intimidation can swing the other way as well and instigate or escalate situations.

I would also say that it is not diffusing the situation just postponing it.

In the case of a lightsaber, possibly, yes.  In firearms, there is not one single documented case in which the open carry of a firearm by a private citizen escalated or instigated any kind of altercation.  There is, however, documented cases of open carrying citizens deterring armed robbery/assault without so much as getting out of their seats. 

In any case, I was talking more of the mindset than the actual deterrent value. 
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2013, 06:37:15 PM »

In the case of a lightsaber, possibly, yes.  In firearms, there is not one single documented case in which the open carry of a firearm by a private citizen escalated or instigated any kind of altercation.  There is, however, documented cases of open carrying citizens deterring armed robbery/assault without so much as getting out of their seats. 

In any case, I was talking more of the mindset than the actual deterrent value. 
As was I. It is dangerous to make the error of seeing weapon and diffusing a situation.

And I have been in plenty of situations where the introduction of a person carrying a firearm escalated it. Weather it be sword, gun or knife. The presence of the weapon makes things far more dangerous.

The Form Zero concept will be centered around avoiding conflict and being able to remove yourself from it without the use of an external weapon. Non agression in a very strict sense.
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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2013, 07:23:47 PM »

The presence of the weapon makes things far more dangerous.

More dangerous, yes.  But more dangerous to whom?  Presumably we're talking about an encounter with a criminal intent on doing us harm here, so it wouldn't make any noticeable difference in the danger to us, but it makes it far more dangerous for the criminal.  Criminals, just like any other person, have varying degrees of risk aversion.  The higher their risk, the less likely they are to act on their plan.  

And since I know it'll get brought up (it always does) there are again very, very few documented cases in which a firearm is taken from the person defending themselves and turned against them.  Just as disarms are a difficult thing to accomplish in swordplay, so they are with firearms.

But, I didn't come here to start a debate on firearms.  So I'll bow out.  
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2013, 08:14:27 PM »

More dangerous, yes.  But more dangerous to whom?  Presumably we're talking about an encounter with a criminal intent on doing us harm here, so it wouldn't make any noticeable difference in the danger to us, but it makes it far more dangerous for the criminal.  Criminals, just like any other person, have varying degrees of risk aversion.  The higher their risk, the less likely they are to act on their plan.  

And since I know it'll get brought up (it always does) there are again very, very few documented cases in which a firearm is taken from the person defending themselves and turned against them.  Just as disarms are a difficult thing to accomplish in swordplay, so they are with firearms.

But, I didn't come here to start a debate on firearms.  So I'll bow out.  
Again it doesn't have to do with guns. It has to do with that there are more factors to think about than a criminals doing harm, good guy vs bad guy scenarios. You have by standers, obstacles, any number of unknown agressors in a crowd. The possibility of the escalation due to the presence of a weapon is not debatable. It doesn't have not be an action movie disarm, or anyone getting shot. But a smal argument can turn into an all out brawl when the added stress of weapons in introduced. In emotionally charged and high stress situations people become unpredictable. If one is in a crowd or protest situation, even the hint of the presence of a weapon can create unruly situations.

This isn't a point about numbers, it is a point about how to handle ones's self without exacerbating the situation.
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2013, 03:19:52 AM »

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The final Shii-Cho show.

We are set to begin explorations of Form VI and VII...
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2013, 04:47:09 AM »

Hi there from Australia Grin

What a nice day; what was that bird chirping in the background?

This is an excellent video with lots of interesting elements. I especially like the interaction of many thoughts and opinions.

1/ Shadow sparing: Visualization, execution and extension.
2/ Circling the opponent is very important to learn.
3/ Shi Cho: Block = Cut
4/ Cancellation: Same cut cancels cut
5/ Train slowly and develop your technique over speed.
6/ Slow time training
7/ Slow time corrects for errors
8/ Slow time one of the keys.
9/ Changing directions and moving with your opponent mirroring and matching.
10/ Focus, watching and drilling.
11/ Flow walking/dueling: Controlled slow time sparring
12/ Over focusing on weaknesses
13/ Extending dueling with slow time for beginners.
14/ The terrain plays a part in your decisions.
15/ Know the rules before you can break them.
16/ Training your perceptions and awareness.
17/ Eye focus/contact.
18/ Training with a teacher as opposed to training by yourself. Training realities.
19/ High Guard (Roof/Crown) Strengths/weakness
20/ Flanking with attacks

It is great to see a new learner discovering and clearly getting better. Closing the High guard is a sound strategy; I would suggest on top of closing allowing them to exhaust or complete their stroke as well EErockk. Steal the energy in their guard by making them misfire or react into a disengage or feint. Someone proficient in the High Guard will be aware of jamming and closing attacks and you might find they move and withhold their strike long enough for your commitment to trap you into a position before they strike.

With High guard I would suggest a strong sense of distance maintenance as well. Always keeping out of range; always controlling the space. If they move you move. Fencing is very good at this; practice advancing and retreating so that their energy in the Guard has nothing to bite into.

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1/ Disguising distance.
2/ Weight distribution can help prevent Counter attacks and stop cuts from landing.

Eerockk, play around with your weight distribution and your distance; attacks are born and die in your feet. The challenges you face all swordsmen have faced. The basics that have been covered here will come out during sparing and if you have prepared right then you should hold your own. Be confident, I can see how much you have improved; great stuff! Grin

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Great Job guys Grin

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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2013, 12:06:20 PM »

One of my teachers, during some classes, would get us started with very slow one-step sparring, then move on to three-step sparring, and then onto more extensive sequence sparring to train to synthesize and execute techniques learned. Loved learning this way, and it can quickly lock some techniques to the point of becoming second nature.
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2013, 12:45:19 PM »


Eerockk, play around with your weight distribution and your distance; attacks are born and die in your feet. The challenges you face all swordsmen have faced. The basics that have been covered here will come out during sparing and if you have prepared right then you should hold your own. Be confident, I can see how much you have improved; great stuff! Grin


Thanks, Bluesky! That's good advice for sure. The next time Nonymous and I spar, I will be more of a challenge to him, and that will be partially due to my mental preparation as well as the physical! He's lightning fast, so I will have to be as well. When I match the speed to the proper form, I'll be ready! I have loads to do to get there, and that's the fun part, so I've found so far.
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